In Your Opinion Nomad vs Harley

[blowndodge]

My Victory handles better than any long distant bike I've been on by far. Having a monoshock aluminum frame makes a difference. Power is comparable to a 110 HD but I've still pulled them stock. Easily pull a 103. More riding room than my 2006 Nomad which at the time had the most room. Better mileage than the Nomad by an average of 5mpg's. Seat is ok. Nothing to jump for joy. Will probably be getting a RDL next spring.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by blowndodge

My Victory handles better than any long distant bike I've been on by far. Having a monoshock aluminum frame makes a difference. Power is comparable to a 110 HD but I've still pulled them stock. Easily pull a 103. More riding room than my 2006 Nomad which at the time had the most room. Better mileage than the Nomad by an average of 5mpg's. Seat is ok. Nothing to jump for joy. Will probably be getting a RDL next spring.

Here is a police bike test that will show you the differences in performance between the Victory and the HDs (and others): http://www.government-fleet.com/chan...x?prestitial=1

[dank]

Originally Posted by ponch

Here is a police bike test that will show you the differences in performance between the Victory and the HDs (and others): http://www.government-fleet.com/chan...x?prestitial=1

After all you have said about how spunky your XCT is Brad, I sure hope yours can outrun the Victory Commander in the test. It may slightly out accelerate the Harley's, but it appears it really is not a very fast bike any means. 0-100 is 7.37 seconds slower than ST1300, which of course is slower than a C-14 or FJR, all three of which are hard bag touring bikes. But good grief, that is almost twice the ST's 0-100 time. 0-60 is also a huge difference: 3.49 (ST) versus 5.31 (Victory commander)...nearly 2 seconds. I suppose the XCT could win an Amish drag race, but after that article, I'm not sure I'd bet on it!

[ponch]

Originally Posted by dank

After all you have said about how spunky your XCT is Brad, I sure hope yours can outrun the Victory Commander in the test. It may slightly out accelerate the Harley's, but it appears it really is not a very fast bike any means. 0-100 is 7.37 seconds slower than ST1300, which of course is slower than a C-14 or FJR, all three of which are hard bag touring bikes. But good grief, that is almost twice the ST's 0-100 time. 0-60 is also a huge difference: 3.49 (ST) versus 5.31 (Victory commander)...nearly 2 seconds. I suppose the XCT could win an Amish drag race, but after that article, I'm not sure I'd bet on it!

The RT is almost twice as quick from 0-100 than the HD. That amazes me.

[glwilson]

0-60 or 100 tests do nothing for me unless I plan on drag racing -- and I do not.

Top-speeds do not do crap for me either -- since I do not plan on riding over 100mph (I would only suggest idiots would do that anywhere but a closed-track...)

Braking information is important to me... Victory's entry ends-up last in that test.

The information most valuable is the "vehicle dynamics testing"; which more closely replicates life-like road scenarios -- how I plan on riding my bike.

[In vehicle dynamics testing, where times from five laps on a road course are averaged:

1st:The F800 recorded the fastest time at 1 minute, 39 seconds (1:39.59).
2nd: R1200 (1:40.28)
3rd: Norge 1200 (1:41)
4th: Road King (1:48.47)
5th: Electra Glide (1:48.67)
6th: California 1400 (1:49.51)
7th:Victory Commander (1:51.97).]

As you can see, the bikes designed for that purpose exceed. No big surprise.

I would own a bike like that if only the ergonomics and size would work for me... but they don't.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by glwilson

0-60 or 100 tests do nothing for me unless I plan on drag racing -- and I do not.

Top-speeds do not do crap for me either -- since I do not plan on riding over 100mph (I would only suggest idiots would do that anywhere but a closed-track...)

Braking information is important to me... Victory's entry ends-up last in that test.

The information most valuable is the "vehicle dynamics testing"; which more closely replicates life-like road scenarios -- how I plan on riding my bike.

[In vehicle dynamics testing, where times from five laps on a road course are averaged:

1st:The F800 recorded the fastest time at 1 minute, 39 seconds (1:39.59).
2nd: R1200 (1:40.28)
3rd: Norge 1200 (1:41)
4th: Road King (1:48.47)
5th: Electra Glide (1:48.67)
6th: California 1400 (1:49.51)
7th:Victory Commander (1:51.97).]

As you can see, the bikes designed for that purpose exceed. No big surprise.

I would own a bike like that if only the ergonomics and size would work for me... but they don't.

it's real easy to break the ton out here with all the open spaces and less traffic than the mid-west. In fact if you ride on the interstate here, you'll get run over if you do less than 80.

As far as the ergonomics, BMW makes a lowered suspension version with different seat heights. Come late Q1 next year, the new RT will be out. Water cooled and all. No I won't be getting one.

[dank]

Originally Posted by glwilson

0-60 or 100 tests do nothing for me unless I plan on drag racing -- and I do not.

Greg, I don't plan on it either, though at times the extra giddy-up is nice, especially if it comes in a package that also has great handling and which you can ride all day. I was just rubbing Brad's nose in it, given how often he spouts off about how fast his Victory is.

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by ponch

it's real easy to break the ton out here with all the open spaces and less traffic than the mid-west. In fact if you ride on the interstate here, you'll get run over if you do less than 80.

As far as the ergonomics, BMW makes a lowered suspension version with different seat heights. Come late Q1 next year, the new RT will be out. Water cooled and all. No I won't be getting one.

I have yet to pull the trigger on a bike purchase... and maybe that is a good thing. We'll have to see what comes around and if I can find a dealer that isn't on the dark-side of the moon...

Originally Posted by dank

Greg, I don't plan on it either, though at times the extra giddy-up is nice, especially if it comes in a package that also has great handling and which you can ride all day. I was just rubbing Brad's nose in it, given how often he spouts off about how fast his Victory is.

I hear you... busting his chops can only lead to a smile! It is sort-of a sport, if you know what I mean.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by dank

Greg, I don't plan on it either, though at times the extra giddy-up is nice, especially if it comes in a package that also has great handling and which you can ride all day. I was just rubbing Brad's nose in it, given how often he spouts off about how fast his Victory is.

I wonder when Honda is updating the ST? Have you heard anything?

[ponch]

Originally Posted by glwilson

I have yet to pull the trigger on a bike purchase... and maybe that is a good thing. We'll have to see what comes around and if I can find a dealer that isn't on the dark-side of the moon...



I hear you... busting his chops can only lead to a smile! It is sort-of a sport, if you know what I mean.

That's one thing HD has in spades, dealer support. Iowa had 21 HD dealers. AZ has enough too.

[dank]

Originally Posted by ponch

I wonder when Honda is updating the ST? Have you heard anything?

This is out there, but not exciting current owners due to tiny windscreen and apparent lack of platform space for a top case.

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorc...y-shots-75339/

[psychocycle]

Originally Posted by elvis

Wow, those are some good looking tourers, I assume the Road Glide Ultra* is yours. We also did a 9,000 km trip to NM in 2012 which was great.

Hope this year will be similar for you. For ourselves, I'm keeping my fingers crossed, hope to get lucky again....

* I went back and forth between an Electra Glide Classic and a Road Glide Ultra, and purchased the former.

Hi Elvis, been a while since I have been on this site. I think that one of us has been looking over the others shoulder at trip plans - we did the Big Sur ride this year and then Sturgis later in the summer. That is a sweet looking bike that you have! If your looking over my shoulder now you will see our June - 14 trip plan is easterly through North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Alberta and Saskatchewan. See ya on the road!

[cactusjack]

Originally Posted by ponch

That's one thing HD has in spades, dealer support. Iowa had 21 HD dealers. AZ has enough too.

AZ full-service dealerships:
Superstition HD (Apache Jct)
Chester's HD (Mesa)
Chandler HD (Chandler)
HD of Scottsdale (Scottsdale)
Buddy Stubbs Arizona HD (PHX)
Arrowhead HD (Peoria)
Buddy Stubbs Anthem HD (Anthem)
Grand Canyon HD (Bellemont)
Grand Canyon HD (Mayer)
HD of Tucson (Tucson)
Sierra Vista HD (Sierra Vista)
Bobby's Territorial HD (Yuma)
London Bridge HD (Lake Havasu City)
Mother Road HD (Kingman)

All the other stores (Sedona, Tombstone, etc) are boutique stores, selling shirts and merchandise, but no bike sales or service.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by cactusjack

AZ full-service dealerships:
Superstition HD (Apache Jct)
Chester's HD (Mesa)
Chandler HD (Chandler)
HD of Scottsdale (Scottsdale)
Buddy Stubbs Arizona HD (PHX)
Arrowhead HD (Peoria)
Buddy Stubbs Anthem HD (Anthem)
Grand Canyon HD (Bellemont)
Grand Canyon HD (Mayer)
HD of Tucson (Tucson)
Sierra Vista HD (Sierra Vista)
Bobby's Territorial HD (Yuma)
London Bridge HD (Lake Havasu City)
Mother Road HD (Kingman)

All the other stores (Sedona, Tombstone, etc) are boutique stores, selling shirts and merchandise, but no bike sales or service.

That's a decent number.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by dank

This is out there, but not exciting current owners due to tiny windscreen and apparent lack of platform space for a top case.

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorc...y-shots-75339/

A smaller F6B. More style than function. Oh well.