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Too bad Kwasaki didn't develop the 1600 engine power wise like Indian has done the Scout engine. The specs of the two engines are comparable, but Indian sure got a lot more power out of their designs. Kawasaki knows how to make a powerful engine. But then, as it is now HD and Indian rule what's left of the big V-twin market.
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Kawa should have invested in the 1700 bikes when they came out. I have a 2011 Vaquero. First year it came out. It was cheaper than the HD road glide. A much better value. Then nothing. Same bike year after year. Still set up for an iPod. What was the excuse then. The market was fine.
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12-02-2023, 12:12 PM | #20 |
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Because of inflation I don't think there is much money left over for toys for the younger generation. Inflation has also taken a bite out of what people are trying to live on when retired and they are making their vehicles last as long as possible.
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And the younger folks have different attitudes and tastes. In general, they aren't as motivated to get a license and drive let alone a motorcycle. Then there's the entry level salaries. Can they afford all of that? Insurance for people under 25 is quite high. Maybe the E Bikes will make inroads with the younger folks, who knows, but heavyweight cruisers, probably not and I'd bet Kawasaki and other marques understand all of this and more. I think it's why premiumization is a thing now. Milk the demo that buys these things as much as possible before they go away completely. Kawasaki and the other of the big 4 aren't chasing that demo anymore.
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I do wonder if Harley or Indian could produce a slightly smaller (1200cc) big cruiser dimension wise, but built more as a basic cruiser, 100hp/90+ ft-lb torque, air-oil cooled, aluminum frame, light weight wheels/radial tires, low seat height, with weight near 700 pounds max. Price point near $18,000. So many of the huge cruisers are simply more than a lot of the baby boomer market want or can live with.
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True, and the BMW flat twin is a good example. My 2007 R1200RT makes 110hp, and 92 ft-lb of torque, weighs near 600 lbs with seven gallons of fuel on board, can carry more than a full dresser Harley or Indian, even has shaft drive. But, it looks nothing like a Harley in any way, and it makes the hp and torque at least 3,000 rpm higher than a big V-twin. That is itself is a big challenge, as a typical big V-twin makes its HP and torque around 2800 rpm, which sells to the classic big V-twin buyer, LOTS of low end grunt, and lazy rumbling at highway speed.
Perhaps a better example is a Ducati V-twin Multistrada, making 113 hp and 71 ft-lb of torque, weighing only about 500 lbs, but again the HP and torque maxes out near 7.000 rpm, 2000 rpm higher than the typical power curve of a common big V-twin. Harley and Indian
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For some older riders with leg issues a boxer engine wont work if you have to get your legs stretched out whenever possible. For me a feet forward V twin is all I can ride these days.
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True. I don't have hip or knee issues (now at 66, riding 52 years) so riding my BMW flat twins are little issue for me. But I have also gotten to like riding my 1600 Classic, which by next season will be a full dresser. On my BMWs I feel like I have to "take" the road. But on my Vulcan I feel like I just have to "ride" the road.
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I've got the worn out knee replacements, worn out ankles and hips. To many years climbing poles and ladders for a living. Love the road sofa for a seat and large backrest on my 1700 but she is getting heavy on gravel and uneven ground when stopped. Yelp I too have to have my feet out from under my butt or its leg cramps to deal with. My Russell DL seat doesn't let me plant my feet solid and with the legs getting weaker through the years it's time for a change. But I am not leaving the 1700 Voyager. Way too much money invested to make it comfortable for me so just a few modifications over the winter months are gonna take place. More to come later.
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