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**cnc** · 09-01-2016, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by twowheeladdict

We all know that people die every day.

Maybe wearing a helmet would have saved a life.

Maybe wearing a life preserver would have kept him from drowning.

Maybe she were in a Hummer instead of a civic she'd be here today.

I only he had eaten better, not climbed that ladder, etc.

Guess you don't get asked to do a eulogy too often.

**Top Cat** · 09-01-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cnc

Guess you don't get asked to do a eulogy too often.

**canuckrider** · 09-08-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Top Cat

Just curious , was your friend wearing a helmet.

Yes he was. Required by law here in Alberta.

alwhite00 · 09-08-2016, 04:09 PM

I have an avid no helmet guy at work and I asked him one day why he doesn't wear one. He says to me - WHAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT HITS WHEN YOU ARE IN AN ACCIDENT? - I said your head - HE SAYS NO! YOUR CHEST! - I just walked away. :(

**cnc** · 09-08-2016, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alwhite00

I have an avid no helmet guy at work and I asked him one day why he doesn't wear one. He says to me - WHAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT HITS WHEN YOU ARE IN AN ACCIDENT? - I said your head - HE SAYS NO! YOUR CHEST! - I just walked away. :(

Really every time? Clearly nothing to protect in this case.

**canuckrider** · 09-10-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alwhite00

I have an avid no helmet guy at work and I asked him one day why he doesn't wear one. He says to me - WHAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT HITS WHEN YOU ARE IN AN ACCIDENT? - I said your head - HE SAYS NO! YOUR CHEST! - I just walked away. :(

So does he wear any sort of chest protection? I rather doubt it.

I guess he doesn't value that any more than his head!

bladenbullet · 09-10-2016, 06:26 PM

everyone has a choice that's their own...be careful how you think as many believe you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle at all if you feel a responsibility to your family or others for your safety...if you don't agree that being on a motorcycle leaves you more vulnerable than being in a car then you are only fooling yourself...

before you make judgement I wear a helmet on every ride and am here today because a helmet got mangled instead of my head and a fantastic team of emts brought me back to life on the scene and prepped me for my life flight...

through all of that I still support choice and will not judge someone for choosing not to wear a helmet...maybe as one who takes what non-riders consider an unnecessary risk you should reconsider your judgement...

alwhite00 · 09-10-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by canuckrider

So does he wear any sort of chest protection? I rather doubt it.

I guess he doesn't value that any more than his head!

No chest protector, No seat belt either as when he was young he was thrown through the windshield clear of the wreck.

- BTW, Don't mention the steel plate in his head.

**cnc** · 09-11-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bladenbullet

everyone has a choice that's their own...be careful how you think as many believe you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle at all if you feel a responsibility to your family or others for your safety...if you don't agree that being on a motorcycle leaves you more vulnerable than being in a car then you are only fooling yourself...

before you make judgement I wear a helmet on every ride and am here today because a helmet got mangled instead of my head and a fantastic team of emts brought me back to life on the scene and prepped me for my life flight...

through all of that I still suppoyrt choice and will not judge someone for choosing not to wear a helmet...maybe as one who takes what non-riders consider an unnecessary risk you should reconsider your judgement...

It's not his choice I question so much as the need to support his choice with a ridiculous statement.

**Top Cat** · 09-11-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cnc

It's not his choice I question so much as the need to support his choice with a ridiculous statement.

Yeah, his statement is as stupid as "Loud pipes save lives "

USNYBikers · 09-11-2016, 01:45 PM

Helmets have the potential to save a life as it cuts the potential for critical injury down, but so does selling your bike and only driving Volvo's made prior to 1995. Being a proud american used to include the freedom of choice, and I believe in that freedom still. Yes it could potentially save your life, but that should still be MY choice. There are a million things that can threaten your life every day, a helmet is just one. You want to make it mandatory to wear a helmet to cross the street as well? Every freedom you take away is one more level of freedom you hand over to the government and take away from yourself. It shouldn't be about giving up your freedoms and giving ultimate control over to the government one step at a time, it should be about making the choice for yourself.

Education will go a lot further to prevent deaths than helmet laws. Recently a man ran a light and got hit by a semi truck, another went head first into a tree after not making a corner. They both wore helmets, it was bad decisions that took their lives.

More education, not more laws.

**Top Cat** · 09-11-2016, 09:27 PM

I don't think anyone is saying make helmet wearing mandatory.
At least I'm not. What I am saying is, if someone thinks it is safer to not wear a helmet than to wear one, then so be it, it is called thinning the heard

**cnc** · 09-12-2016, 02:54 PM

It really is a catch 22 situation in almost all day to day living. Some people make poor choices or un due risk and the goverment sees a need to pass a law to protect people from their lack of forethought. Then people get so used to the goverment being there to baby sit them they scream when the goverment has not stepped in fast enough. That car was not safe how come the goverment did not force a recall sooner?, we built in a flood zone, how come the goverment didn't provide relief faster when we got flooded?, we got poisoned at X restaurant, where were the inspectors?
Yes maybe the goverment should back off, but a majority of society have lost the ability to think or fend for themselves. There will always be those in a population that go along with a law because they can see the sense in it and those who will throw logic to the wind and say I'm not doing that because my goverment wants me to, that's a loss of my freedom.
Wonder if a law was passed and signs went up " do not jump off this bridge it is illegal, would some folks do it just to prove a point?
Don't get me wrong, I am in many situations fed up with our goverment at every level being too controlling, but I tend to be more vocal on illogical laws.

Scootergptx · 09-12-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alwhite00

No chest protector, No seat belt either as when he was young he was thrown through the windshield clear of the wreck.

- BTW, Don't mention the steel plate in his head.

Adding to the list of helmet types;

1/2 Helmet
3/4 Helmet
Full Face Helmet
Internal Helmet.

While I didn't land on my head in my wreck, I didn't land on my chest either. Flat on my ass. Guess I should be thankful they didn't put in a steel plate.

Dave · 09-12-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootergptx

While I didn't land on my head in my wreck, I didn't land on my chest either. Flat on my ass. Guess I should be thankful they didn't put in a steel plate.

But think how many butt kicking contests you could have won.

09-11-2016, 01:45 PM	#26
USNYBikers Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Arlington, VT Posts: 62	Helmets have the potential to save a life as it cuts the potential for critical injury down, but so does selling your bike and only driving Volvo's made prior to 1995. Being a proud american used to include the freedom of choice, and I believe in that freedom still. Yes it could potentially save your life, but that should still be MY choice. There are a million things that can threaten your life every day, a helmet is just one. You want to make it mandatory to wear a helmet to cross the street as well? Every freedom you take away is one more level of freedom you hand over to the government and take away from yourself. It shouldn't be about giving up your freedoms and giving ultimate control over to the government one step at a time, it should be about making the choice for yourself. Education will go a lot further to prevent deaths than helmet laws. Recently a man ran a light and got hit by a semi truck, another went head first into a tree after not making a corner. They both wore helmets, it was bad decisions that took their lives. More education, not more laws. __________________ Upstate-NY-Bikers.com Proud Member of: Hugs for Heroes, S.U.M.C. Patriot Guard Riders Abate of NY VBA #03059
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09-11-2016, 09:27 PM	#27
Top Cat Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Peoples Republic of New York State Posts: 15,154	I don't think anyone is saying make helmet wearing mandatory. At least I'm not. What I am saying is, if someone thinks it is safer to not wear a helmet than to wear one, then so be it, it is called thinning the heard __________________ Tim "TC" Conley VBA #9 2011 Victory Kingpin mine 2013 Victory Boardwalk -hers [LEFT][COLOR=#000000] [SIZE=4]
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09-12-2016, 02:54 PM	#28
cnc Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montreal QC Posts: 12,034	It really is a catch 22 situation in almost all day to day living. Some people make poor choices or un due risk and the goverment sees a need to pass a law to protect people from their lack of forethought. Then people get so used to the goverment being there to baby sit them they scream when the goverment has not stepped in fast enough. That car was not safe how come the goverment did not force a recall sooner?, we built in a flood zone, how come the goverment didn't provide relief faster when we got flooded?, we got poisoned at X restaurant, where were the inspectors? Yes maybe the goverment should back off, but a majority of society have lost the ability to think or fend for themselves. There will always be those in a population that go along with a law because they can see the sense in it and those who will throw logic to the wind and say I'm not doing that because my goverment wants me to, that's a loss of my freedom. Wonder if a law was passed and signs went up " do not jump off this bridge it is illegal, would some folks do it just to prove a point? Don't get me wrong, I am in many situations fed up with our goverment at every level being too controlling, but I tend to be more vocal on illogical laws. __________________ Norm Ward 2008 blue / silver nomad kawanow / VBA #01136
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09-08-2016, 04:09 PM	#19
alwhite00 Advanced Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 539	I have an avid no helmet guy at work and I asked him one day why he doesn't wear one. He says to me - WHAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT HITS WHEN YOU ARE IN AN ACCIDENT? - I said your head - HE SAYS NO! YOUR CHEST! - I just walked away. :(
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09-10-2016, 06:26 PM	#22
bladenbullet Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Southwestern Florida Posts: 115	everyone has a choice that's their own...be careful how you think as many believe you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle at all if you feel a responsibility to your family or others for your safety...if you don't agree that being on a motorcycle leaves you more vulnerable than being in a car then you are only fooling yourself... before you make judgement I wear a helmet on every ride and am here today because a helmet got mangled instead of my head and a fantastic team of emts brought me back to life on the scene and prepped me for my life flight... through all of that I still support choice and will not judge someone for choosing not to wear a helmet...maybe as one who takes what non-riders consider an unnecessary risk you should reconsider your judgement...
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