long story - floating needle becomes dead by the side a road - Page 3

macmac · 08-20-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow Jacket

I'm sorry, I don't know if they do or not.

That jumper cable thing the 2nd way makes a big light bulb for a second, but you sure don't want to hold it in your hand.

I hate the factory manual diagram. Schoony sent me the 1500's in color, butr i don't know how he came by them. In this case i wouldn't want to use 1500 wiring diags on a 05 16 bike.

The + side high resistance just means something won't work and the fuse won't blow. That is where I start at power and read voltage across both sides of any connector in line. When you get a reading NOT 0.000 you have the fault.

I don't always know how to say tings the right way. The bottoms of cars and trucks never cared much.

Yellow Jacket · 08-20-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by macmac

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I hate the factory manual diagram. Schoony sent me the 1500's in color, butr i don't know how he came by them. In this case i wouldn't want to use 1500 wiring diags on a 05 16 bike.

I have to agree with you on this. I have to use a magnifying glass when trying to figure out a circuit on the factory manual wiring diagram.

P.S. Here's a link to the Clymer site for a 1600 Nomad manual. No idea if it has the wiring diagram in colors.

http://www.themotorbookstore.com/kaw...00-manual.html

macmac · 08-20-2013, 07:55 PM

Yellow Jacket the Clymers for my 1981 XS 850 Sh has a in color wiring diagram and is big enough to see. Right now I just spent my toy moneym and have bills and assorted events and my loving brides BD to get thru. So that book is out for me at the time.

Money and me were never a good match. is what it is.

lar · 08-21-2013, 01:25 AM

My 1500 Clymers manual has colored wiring diagrams so I would assume the 1600 book should also.

**crazygene49** · 08-21-2013, 01:08 PM

The link to the book says it has color wiring diagrams.

Yellow Jacket · 08-21-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crazygene49

The link to the book says it has color wiring diagrams.

Dang! It's amazing what you can find if you read the entire web page! I sure missed that in the Table of Contents.

macmac · 08-21-2013, 09:49 PM

Yellow Jacket I thought you were the smart one! Who's the smart one?

LOL

Yellow Jacket · 08-22-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by macmac

Yellow Jacket I thought you were the smart one! Who's the smart one?

LOL

That was my Senior Moment of the month. At my age, I'm allowed one per month!

Boscoe · 08-22-2013, 12:30 PM

Thanks Yellow Jacket and MacMac. I see what you are saying now. I was just thinking theroy- the old PIE chart from electronics class: no resistance (load) = lots of electrical flow; high resistance (load) = little flow.

I think that the terms low and high are relative. Like you said, an ohm or two on a ground connection is a lot different than an ohm or two at the load site.

My head hurts from thinking about all this. Thanks for helping to straighten it out.

macmac · 08-23-2013, 11:40 AM

Boscoe, neither one of us can recall what the problem was. Is it fixed?

LOL

irishguy · 08-27-2013, 11:48 PM

We're back in business! Trimmed the burnt/melted wire, soldered new wire on, connected all the wires into a new grounding bar, taped it up and the problem is gone. Took the bike out for a 15min test ride and everything is good all symptoms of the problem are gone. Looks like I dodged a bullet and didn't do any serious damage.

thanks to everyone for all the help advice on this one. appreciate you guys.

Kybenz · 08-28-2013, 07:58 AM

Same here Irishguy....Looks as if we both had the same gremlin.
Out of curiosity, my bike sat in the hot sun, 90plus, for 5 hours prior to this happening. I wonder if that heat was enough to cause that connector to expand enough to allow the loose connection to expand and cause the resistance. How hot was it the day yours failed?

**cnc** · 08-28-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kybenz

Same here Irishguy....Looks as if we both had the same gremlin.
Out of curiosity, my bike sat in the hot sun, 90plus, for 5 hours prior to this happening. I wonder if that heat was enough to cause that connector to expand enough to allow the loose connection to expand and cause the resistance. How hot was it the day yours failed?

I really don't think so. Due to the heat coming off the motor, much of the wiring and electrical connectors live in a environment hotter than than the sun shining down on the bike. It probably started with light corrosion which caused a resistance, which built heat, which distorted the connector which caused a poor connection and more heat snowballing until the connector destroyed it's self.

Kybenz · 08-28-2013, 09:49 AM

I agree cnc...Just curious is all. Also curious to see how many pull out this ground junction and what they find. Hopefully Irishguy and my bike failures will help others be premptive on a possible failure.

**cnc** · 08-28-2013, 11:40 AM

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I agree cnc...Just curious is all. Also curious to see how many pull out this ground junction and what they find. Hopefully Irishguy and my bike failures will help others be premptive on a possible failure.

Yeah that is one of the great things about this site, what ever has gone wrong with these bikes collectively we all get to know about it and the fixes that worked, or what to look out for ahead of time.
Glade both yours and Irishguys issues were caught before more serious damage was done and you guys were able to fix them relatively cheaply.

08-20-2013, 07:55 PM	#33
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Yellow Jacket the Clymers for my 1981 XS 850 Sh has a in color wiring diagram and is big enough to see. Right now I just spent my toy moneym and have bills and assorted events and my loving brides BD to get thru. So that book is out for me at the time. Money and me were never a good match. is what it is. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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08-21-2013, 01:25 AM	#34
lar Sr. Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 1,407	My 1500 Clymers manual has colored wiring diagrams so I would assume the 1600 book should also. __________________ Larry Martel 02 1500 Nomad VBA 01565 VROC4737 Patriot Guard Rider
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08-21-2013, 01:08 PM	#35
crazygene49 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 1,856	The link to the book says it has color wiring diagrams. __________________ Gene Chestnut Dover, DE USAF 1968-1995 VBA#01761 2007 Nomad 1600 Black and Titanium Login or Register to Remove Ads
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08-21-2013, 09:49 PM	#37
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Yellow Jacket I thought you were the smart one! Who's the smart one? LOL __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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08-22-2013, 12:30 PM	#39
Boscoe Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 372	Thanks Yellow Jacket and MacMac. I see what you are saying now. I was just thinking theroy- the old PIE chart from electronics class: no resistance (load) = lots of electrical flow; high resistance (load) = little flow. I think that the terms low and high are relative. Like you said, an ohm or two on a ground connection is a lot different than an ohm or two at the load site. My head hurts from thinking about all this. Thanks for helping to straighten it out. __________________ 2011 Voyager 1700, Ebony/Pearl Meteor Gray Bridgestone Exedra Max tires in stock sizes Heated Avon grips with Throttle Mod Cobra Scalloped Slip-ons Thunder Mfg. Intake Gasket DEI Titanium exhaust header wrap Corbin heated seat. Polk Audio db521 speakers Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 with Mobil 1 M1-110 filter Kuryakyn Longhorn Offset Dually Highway Pegs Chrome passenger running board covers All new fluids and lube.
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08-23-2013, 11:40 AM	#40
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Boscoe, neither one of us can recall what the problem was. Is it fixed? LOL __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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08-27-2013, 11:48 PM	#41
irishguy Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: From Belfast N.Ireland living in Dayville CT Posts: 58	We're back in business! Trimmed the burnt/melted wire, soldered new wire on, connected all the wires into a new grounding bar, taped it up and the problem is gone. Took the bike out for a 15min test ride and everything is good all symptoms of the problem are gone. Looks like I dodged a bullet and didn't do any serious damage. thanks to everyone for all the help advice on this one. appreciate you guys. __________________ Ian "Irishguy" McGuiggan "Don't play pig when the butcher's coming"
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08-28-2013, 07:58 AM	#42
Kybenz Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wilder, Ky Posts: 188	Same here Irishguy....Looks as if we both had the same gremlin. Out of curiosity, my bike sat in the hot sun, 90plus, for 5 hours prior to this happening. I wonder if that heat was enough to cause that connector to expand enough to allow the loose connection to expand and cause the resistance. How hot was it the day yours failed? __________________ 2005 1600 Classic, V&H Bigshots, Chucksters' Air kit Cobra Fi2000r ,Fire & Steel light bar,Cobra freeway bars, Kuryakyn highway pegs,Kuryakyn pedal covers,Barons 7 LED tachometer, Chucksters' 2" risers, Kuryakyn RTB controller, Kuryakyn grips, heel and toe covers. Galfer S.S. braided lines.
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08-28-2013, 09:49 AM	#44
Kybenz Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wilder, Ky Posts: 188	I agree cnc...Just curious is all. Also curious to see how many pull out this ground junction and what they find. Hopefully Irishguy and my bike failures will help others be premptive on a possible failure. __________________ 2005 1600 Classic, V&H Bigshots, Chucksters' Air kit Cobra Fi2000r ,Fire & Steel light bar,Cobra freeway bars, Kuryakyn highway pegs,Kuryakyn pedal covers,Barons 7 LED tachometer, Chucksters' 2" risers, Kuryakyn RTB controller, Kuryakyn grips, heel and toe covers. Galfer S.S. braided lines.
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