K&N Air Filter Yes or no

chief · 05-21-2009, 08:55 AM

Checked my air filter after a 700 mile round trip to the super bike races in Sonoma , and found it dirty. I have blown it out with air once already,but It's time for a new one. I'm wondering if my Nomad a 2006 Fi will run right with a K&N Air filter. I don't want to buy a controller. It doe's ping even with 91 Octane witch is all I can get here in California. I'm thinking it's already running lean. Can anyone tell me if they have done this and how it ran after the change? My old Suzuki 800 Volusia would not run at all with just the K&N. I had to put a jet kit in the carb. Then it ran fine.

Tom

macmac · 05-21-2009, 09:05 AM

If your bike pings on 91, it isn't a matter of choice to buy a 'controller'. That makes it a must do item and if it is the only thing you do to the bike it will be worth it.

So you are asking about an air filter that costs more, last longer, but allows more air into a engine that is already too lean???? NO don't.

Add in a TFI (my prefered because they are a known), or a Cobra modual. As soon as someone has me set up a Cobra I can say more about them.

chief · 05-21-2009, 09:45 AM

That's what I thought. The bike pings when I give it the gas hard on a warm day. Part of the problem is me by not keeping the rpm's in the proper power band when I do this. If I watch the rpm's I can pretty much control it. Last weekend I was riding two up in 90 Deg + and it only pinged a couple of times., It does see to be getting better.

Tom

cactusjack · 05-21-2009, 10:07 AM

My 2007 had a horrible pinging problem, even on 91 octane (the highest I can get in AZ). As with yours, it was worse on hot days, and we do get hot here. I installed a Cobra FI2000R and opened up the intake on the right side (the Caddmann Kit). I now run an open 7" K&N filter on the right. That took care of the pinging, and I can run 87 octane when it's cooler, and 89 when it's hot.

claybuster · 05-21-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cactusjack

My 2007 had a horrible pinging problem, even on 91 octane (the highest I can get in AZ). As with yours, it was worse on hot days, and we do get hot here. I installed a Cobra FI2000R and opened up the intake on the right side (the Caddmann Kit). I now run an open 7" K&N filter on the right. That took care of the pinging, and I can run 87 octane when it's cooler, and 89 when it's hot.

Did you do anything to the exhaust when you opened the intake?

cactusjack · 05-21-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by claybuster

Quote:

Originally Posted by cactusjack

My 2007 had a horrible pinging problem, even on 91 octane (the highest I can get in AZ). As with yours, it was worse on hot days, and we do get hot here. I installed a Cobra FI2000R and opened up the intake on the right side (the Caddmann Kit). I now run an open 7" K&N filter on the right. That took care of the pinging, and I can run 87 octane when it's cooler, and 89 when it's hot.

Did you do anything to the exhaust when you opened the intake?

I had already de-baffled it. That's the only exhaust mod I have done.

dogdoc · 05-21-2009, 12:51 PM

chief: the Spectre new liftime filter works as good as K&N, can wash/oil it for life. Cost half what K&N cost.

macmac · 05-21-2009, 06:05 PM

Spectre new liftime filter, is the same deal. You need a modual, which can be TFI, Cobra, and or the PC III, which IMO isn't worth the cost on a Nomad UNLESS you are either a total motorhead and want to race a Nomad in which case you need to see a shrink, and or are a IT tech, and need a pc screw on occasion...

I am a x foreign car tech and just wanna ride..... IMO you don't want a fuel modual, you 'need' one..

Now if you want a new bike from that old beater dawg of a straved Nomad go with a V&H or Road House exhaust, get the Cobra or TFI, get rid of 40 pounds of hoses, reed valve, idle solenoid controlls, and get 10% usable kick in the pants more power.

I just did my 3rd TFI install, this time with my first RH install, Chucksters Coasters and yanked all the BS hoses which I like to call medusa's head... By the way this was a Cali bike, so there is no more carbon canister, and is right side only intake with the caddman right side only set up..

Total time apx 14 hours..That apx is the time to test ride and set up pots 2, 3 and 4.

maybe the owner will find this and fess up and addmitt to a grin from ear to ear too.

borto1990 · 05-22-2009, 12:46 AM

FYI macmac.. if the specs I have are right and the nad HP specs are at the crank, then my dyno said chucksters plate, K&N, loss of 40lbs of hoses, reed valves, idle solinoids ect... it got closer to 28% usable kick in the pants more power!!!!

flavor · 05-22-2009, 05:11 AM

Mac:

I fessed up a little while ago as I didn't see this post before.

See my post YOU BUM................. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Can you still see my ear to ear smile?

macmac · 05-22-2009, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by borto1990

FYI macmac.. if the specs I have are right and the nad HP specs are at the crank, then my dyno said chucksters plate, K&N, loss of 40lbs of hoses, reed valves, idle solinoids ect... it got closer to 28% usable kick in the pants more power!!!!

That may be, but I have no access to any dyno (I wish) and so I prefer to er on the side of caution.

In other words if I say you gain 10%, and then you get a dyno run and get 28% I still win...

phenrichs · 05-22-2009, 07:37 AM

hey mac are you going by the same process as gadget's site for removing 'medusa's head'

macmac · 05-22-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OP

hey mac are you going by the same process as gadget's site for removing 'medusa's head'

I dunno , I didn't know he had one... probably I am because he is a sharp guy. gimmie the linky... please.

ponch · 05-22-2009, 11:26 AM

Here it is Mac: http://www.gadgetjq.com/smogstuffremove.htm and http://www.gadgetjq.com/rv_removal.htm

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Originally Posted by macmac

Quote:

Originally Posted by OP

hey mac are you going by the same process as gadget's site for removing 'medusa's head'

I dunno , I didn't know he had one... probably I am because he is a sharp guy. gimmie the linky... please.

macmac · 05-22-2009, 06:14 PM

yeah Ponch this link http://www.gadgetjq.com/rv_removal.htm is what I have done to my own bikes, but I use a plastic wine bottle cork because it fits and it fits tight. I paint them black, and use about 1/2 a cork.

This link has a better diagram of the junk I take off.
http://www.gadgetjq.com/smogstuffremove.htm

I just did a Cali bike in NH headed to RI, and around here we could give a rat's ass about what Cali Laws say, so you can say good by to the dreaded carbon canister too, along with more crap!

That canister went, and so did the air flow cross over which has a venturi tube to it.

screw AL.....

I call that mess medusa's head, and her sister is on the canister.

Anyone want that crap because I bet i could pass the buck on to the owner. He don't want it and left it here in a big box and I don't want it either.

.................................................. .................................................. ...

If so contact favor because in 'reel life' I don't work that way.

05-21-2009, 08:55 AM	#1
chief Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 91	K&N Air Filter Yes or no Checked my air filter after a 700 mile round trip to the super bike races in Sonoma , and found it dirty. I have blown it out with air once already,but It's time for a new one. I'm wondering if my Nomad a 2006 Fi will run right with a K&N Air filter. I don't want to buy a controller. It doe's ping even with 91 Octane witch is all I can get here in California. I'm thinking it's already running lean. Can anyone tell me if they have done this and how it ran after the change? My old Suzuki 800 Volusia would not run at all with just the K&N. I had to put a jet kit in the carb. Then it ran fine. Tom Login or Register to Remove Ads
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05-21-2009, 09:05 AM	#2
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	K&N Air Filter Yes or no If your bike pings on 91, it isn't a matter of choice to buy a 'controller'. That makes it a must do item and if it is the only thing you do to the bike it will be worth it. So you are asking about an air filter that costs more, last longer, but allows more air into a engine that is already too lean???? NO don't. Add in a TFI (my prefered because they are a known), or a Cobra modual. As soon as someone has me set up a Cobra I can say more about them. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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05-21-2009, 09:45 AM	#3
chief Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 91	K&N Air Filter Yes or no That's what I thought. The bike pings when I give it the gas hard on a warm day. Part of the problem is me by not keeping the rpm's in the proper power band when I do this. If I watch the rpm's I can pretty much control it. Last weekend I was riding two up in 90 Deg + and it only pinged a couple of times., It does see to be getting better. Tom
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05-21-2009, 10:07 AM	#4
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	K&N Air Filter Yes or no My 2007 had a horrible pinging problem, even on 91 octane (the highest I can get in AZ). As with yours, it was worse on hot days, and we do get hot here. I installed a Cobra FI2000R and opened up the intake on the right side (the Caddmann Kit). I now run an open 7" K&N filter on the right. That took care of the pinging, and I can run 87 octane when it's cooler, and 89 when it's hot. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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05-21-2009, 12:51 PM	#7
dogdoc Top Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,263	K&N Air Filter Yes or no chief: the Spectre new liftime filter works as good as K&N, can wash/oil it for life. Cost half what K&N cost.
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05-21-2009, 06:05 PM	#8
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	K&N Air Filter Yes or no Spectre new liftime filter, is the same deal. You need a modual, which can be TFI, Cobra, and or the PC III, which IMO isn't worth the cost on a Nomad UNLESS you are either a total motorhead and want to race a Nomad in which case you need to see a shrink, and or are a IT tech, and need a pc screw on occasion... I am a x foreign car tech and just wanna ride..... IMO you don't want a fuel modual, you 'need' one.. Now if you want a new bike from that old beater dawg of a straved Nomad go with a V&H or Road House exhaust, get the Cobra or TFI, get rid of 40 pounds of hoses, reed valve, idle solenoid controlls, and get 10% usable kick in the pants more power. I just did my 3rd TFI install, this time with my first RH install, Chucksters Coasters and yanked all the BS hoses which I like to call medusa's head... By the way this was a Cali bike, so there is no more carbon canister, and is right side only intake with the caddman right side only set up.. Total time apx 14 hours..That apx is the time to test ride and set up pots 2, 3 and 4. maybe the owner will find this and fess up and addmitt to a grin from ear to ear too. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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05-22-2009, 12:46 AM	#9
borto1990 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: grand rapids, mi Posts: 475	K&N Air Filter Yes or no FYI macmac.. if the specs I have are right and the nad HP specs are at the crank, then my dyno said chucksters plate, K&N, loss of 40lbs of hoses, reed valves, idle solinoids ect... it got closer to 28% usable kick in the pants more power!!!!
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05-22-2009, 05:11 AM	#10
flavor Sr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: RI Posts: 1,351	K&N Air Filter Yes or no Mac: I fessed up a little while ago as I didn't see this post before. See my post YOU BUM................. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Can you still see my ear to ear smile?
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05-22-2009, 07:37 AM	#12
phenrichs Sr. Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 2,498	K&N Air Filter Yes or no hey mac are you going by the same process as gadget's site for removing 'medusa's head'
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05-22-2009, 06:14 PM	#15
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	K&N Air Filter Yes or no yeah Ponch this link http://www.gadgetjq.com/rv_removal.htm is what I have done to my own bikes, but I use a plastic wine bottle cork because it fits and it fits tight. I paint them black, and use about 1/2 a cork. This link has a better diagram of the junk I take off. http://www.gadgetjq.com/smogstuffremove.htm I just did a Cali bike in NH headed to RI, and around here we could give a rat's ass about what Cali Laws say, so you can say good by to the dreaded carbon canister too, along with more crap! That canister went, and so did the air flow cross over which has a venturi tube to it. screw AL..... I call that mess medusa's head, and her sister is on the canister. Anyone want that crap because I bet i could pass the buck on to the owner. He don't want it and left it here in a big box and I don't want it either. .................................................. .................................................. ... If so contact favor because in 'reel life' I don't work that way. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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