Clutch...

clayton · 12-25-2009, 09:32 AM

Hello....
Since I was a Weee Little Fella I have always had manual clutches.
Now with my Nomad it is the hydraulic.
Reading the manual it states that these do not need adjustment...I thought...COOL...
Now this might sound like a NEWB....and I am...

but now how do you tell when the clutches need replaced? Manual Inspection?
Slippage?
I would love to believe that clutches last forever but...NOT...
Thanks

cactusjack · 12-25-2009, 10:09 AM

Slippage. You'll notice it in the higher gears when rolling on the throttle. The spring usually goes first, which is neither expensive or difficult to replace. I replaced my spring at 22,000 miles and the clutch disks looked brand new.

macmac · 12-26-2009, 08:17 PM

Some hydralic clutches are adjustable, this one is not in it's current configuration.

it is likely the pressure plate spring a term for you more than anything else will need to be replaced at some point. Many guys find a slippage around 30,000 miles..

So long as you tend to this when or before it happens/gets too bad, chances are you won't own the bike long enough to need plates.

Wet plates by nature do not wear like dry plates do.

There are 3 options pretty much:

A meanie spring
A meanie spring and a Judges washer, if you can get to the Judge
The one I will use if and when is the Barnett Spring.

I have seen enough wet clutch plates in my time to see that mostly these suffer slight and very limited wear, unless slippage is ignorred, or the oil is run to dirty and low for an extended time. Basicly abuse.

clayton · 12-27-2009, 08:40 AM

Thanks Mac

macmac · 12-27-2009, 11:05 AM

Clayton, Seems to me you know and understand dry clutches pretty well.. This clutch bugs me that there is no adjustable cross rod.. When ever the time comes for me, I plan to pull the rod, and see about if there is a way to make it threaded and adjustable.

I would like some real Free Play myself. I can guess there must be some, but it appears not enough. I know for a fact that if the BF (brake fluid) gets too old and is dirty with engine heat the slave becomes pressurized and will try to cluth IN with no manual input.

It is a wise idea each 2 years to change out all the BF.

Probably unless you really try to wreck the friction disks and steel plates you won't, and won't wear them out with in 100,000 miles. If you really abuse them all bets are off.

You probably know what is abuse and what isn't..

blowndodge · 12-28-2009, 12:33 PM

"Dry Clutches"?

If your clutch is dry then DON'T START THE BIKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO OIL IN IT!" This can make one heck of a mess to the innards of the Nomad....

Nomad clutches need oil as they are a mult-plate clutch system. The activation on seperating the friction and driven plates is hydraulic by design.

Ducati's are one of the last remaining "dry clutch" design and I believe they are now going to or have gone to a wet mult-plate clutch.

macmac · 12-28-2009, 03:51 PM

BD, read the tread.......

blowndodge · 12-29-2009, 11:27 AM

My tread reads "Yokohama"....

macmac · 12-29-2009, 02:19 PM

I see.. mac make big boo boo, but so did you when you find the quote. LOL

I don't even get why this posts are called threads anyway. A thread is something I use to makes mocs, leggins, breeches, shirts, weskit (vest) frock coats ( hunting coat) Capot'e (blanket coa), mittens to my elbows, and hats..

A path is in my woods.

blowndodge · 12-29-2009, 02:29 PM

and in your woods I would surely follow mac! I know nuthin' about surviving in them!! You'd have to save me or teach me how to survive.

An episode of "Man vs. Wild" with me would have a tragic ending!!!

macmac · 12-29-2009, 07:47 PM

Probably that would be a wize thing to do in my woods about now. Just about 0 and all I did was play in the snow today. Some people call it work, but I like bein out moving snow..

Seems to me the OP knows what a dry clutch is and anything about them he has in his 'ead.

I'ld like getting someone to follow me around with a camera, but I have to start naked.. Of course I want pay, but with pay I will come back fat and in some very different clothing...

I don't think too much if that sucking elephant dung for water though, but that's ok since there are no elephants in new hampsta

I get triple pay if it is ridin' season

So all I did was fix that, so he will get a spring and gasket saving his money.

12-25-2009, 09:32 AM	#1
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	Clutch... Hello.... Since I was a Weee Little Fella I have always had manual clutches. Now with my Nomad it is the hydraulic. Reading the manual it states that these do not need adjustment...I thought...COOL... Now this might sound like a NEWB....and I am... but now how do you tell when the clutches need replaced? Manual Inspection? Slippage? I would love to believe that clutches last forever but...NOT... Thanks __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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12-25-2009, 10:09 AM	#2
cactusjack Mega-Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Where it doesn't snow...ever! Posts: 21,926	Clutch... Slippage. You'll notice it in the higher gears when rolling on the throttle. The spring usually goes first, which is neither expensive or difficult to replace. I replaced my spring at 22,000 miles and the clutch disks looked brand new. __________________ Scott "Cactusjack" Hanks VBA #00105 H.O.G. #4250060 2011 H-D Ultra Limited 103ci :: 2011 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited w/Stage 1 :: Rallies: Mesquite '08\|Custer '09\|Cortez '10\|Crescent City '11\|Kanab '12\|Antlers '12\|Estes Park '13\|Antlers '13\|Orofino '14\|The Dalles '17
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12-26-2009, 08:17 PM	#3
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Clutch... Some hydralic clutches are adjustable, this one is not in it's current configuration. it is likely the pressure plate spring a term for you more than anything else will need to be replaced at some point. Many guys find a slippage around 30,000 miles.. So long as you tend to this when or before it happens/gets too bad, chances are you won't own the bike long enough to need plates. Wet plates by nature do not wear like dry plates do. There are 3 options pretty much: A meanie spring A meanie spring and a Judges washer, if you can get to the Judge The one I will use if and when is the Barnett Spring. I have seen enough wet clutch plates in my time to see that mostly these suffer slight and very limited wear, unless slippage is ignorred, or the oil is run to dirty and low for an extended time. Basicly abuse. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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12-27-2009, 08:40 AM	#4
clayton Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 618	Clutch... Thanks Mac __________________ Clayton 2008 1600 Nomad VBA #01332
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12-27-2009, 11:05 AM	#5
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Clutch... Clayton, Seems to me you know and understand dry clutches pretty well.. This clutch bugs me that there is no adjustable cross rod.. When ever the time comes for me, I plan to pull the rod, and see about if there is a way to make it threaded and adjustable. I would like some real Free Play myself. I can guess there must be some, but it appears not enough. I know for a fact that if the BF (brake fluid) gets too old and is dirty with engine heat the slave becomes pressurized and will try to cluth IN with no manual input. It is a wise idea each 2 years to change out all the BF. Probably unless you really try to wreck the friction disks and steel plates you won't, and won't wear them out with in 100,000 miles. If you really abuse them all bets are off. You probably know what is abuse and what isn't.. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it Login or Register to Remove Ads
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12-28-2009, 12:33 PM	#6
blowndodge Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington City, Utah Posts: 16,474	Clutch... "Dry Clutches"? If your clutch is dry then DON'T START THE BIKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO OIL IN IT!" This can make one heck of a mess to the innards of the Nomad.... Nomad clutches need oil as they are a mult-plate clutch system. The activation on seperating the friction and driven plates is hydraulic by design. Ducati's are one of the last remaining "dry clutch" design and I believe they are now going to or have gone to a wet mult-plate clutch. __________________ I love my Victory Cross Country Tour 106. Smells like Victory! Ultra's are Limited There are two types of Harley riders. Those that trailer them and those that push them. The most Interesting Man in the World "Find the things in life you don't do well and don't do those things" Member # 0005
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12-28-2009, 03:51 PM	#7
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Clutch... BD, read the tread....... __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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12-29-2009, 11:27 AM	#8
blowndodge Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington City, Utah Posts: 16,474	Clutch... My tread reads "Yokohama".... __________________ I love my Victory Cross Country Tour 106. Smells like Victory! Ultra's are Limited There are two types of Harley riders. Those that trailer them and those that push them. The most Interesting Man in the World "Find the things in life you don't do well and don't do those things" Member # 0005
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12-29-2009, 02:19 PM	#9
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Clutch... I see.. mac make big boo boo, but so did you when you find the quote. LOL I don't even get why this posts are called threads anyway. A thread is something I use to makes mocs, leggins, breeches, shirts, weskit (vest) frock coats ( hunting coat) Capot'e (blanket coa), mittens to my elbows, and hats.. A path is in my woods. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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12-29-2009, 02:29 PM	#10
blowndodge Sr. Contributor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington City, Utah Posts: 16,474	Clutch... and in your woods I would surely follow mac! I know nuthin' about surviving in them!! You'd have to save me or teach me how to survive. An episode of "Man vs. Wild" with me would have a tragic ending!!! __________________ I love my Victory Cross Country Tour 106. Smells like Victory! Ultra's are Limited There are two types of Harley riders. Those that trailer them and those that push them. The most Interesting Man in the World "Find the things in life you don't do well and don't do those things" Member # 0005
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12-29-2009, 07:47 PM	#11
macmac Sr. Contributor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tamworth New Hampster 06 1600 Posts: 12,484	Clutch... Probably that would be a wize thing to do in my woods about now. Just about 0 and all I did was play in the snow today. Some people call it work, but I like bein out moving snow.. Seems to me the OP knows what a dry clutch is and anything about them he has in his 'ead. I'ld like getting someone to follow me around with a camera, but I have to start naked.. Of course I want pay, but with pay I will come back fat and in some very different clothing... I don't think too much if that sucking elephant dung for water though, but that's ok since there are no elephants in new hampsta I get triple pay if it is ridin' season So all I did was fix that, so he will get a spring and gasket saving his money. __________________ 06 1600 Nomad Just call me Mac molon labe come and get it
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