Victory and HD

[ponch]

Saw this on the Delphi site. I have to say I haven't seen such a motivated bike salesman in my life. A little over the top, but fun to watch.


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[AlabamaNomadRider]

After watching a couple of those it makes me wonder why anyone would want a Harley. Good videos.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by AlabamaNomadRider

After watching a couple of those it makes me wonder why anyone would want a Harley. Good videos.

You should watch it to the end, especially the last one. It all ties together.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

I plan on watching all of them. Just thought I would check newest posts and then get back to it. Thanks for posting this as it is very informative to me.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Watched all of them. Very interesting videos. I know it was a one sided commerical but Victory has a lot of really good stuff. How does the Nomad compare with the Victory?

[ponch]

Originally Posted by AlabamaNomadRider

Watched all of them. Very interesting videos. I know it was a one sided commerical but Victory has a lot of really good stuff. How does the Nomad compare with the Victory?

I'd like to see someone do something like that for Kawasaki. For the most part, it could be done.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Yes it would be very interesting to see. I would like to see how our engine stacks up against the Victory.

[tombstone]

The "faithful" could watch all those and still say, "but harley is a better bike, just because.."

[Loafer]

I was always told to not mention the competition by name and to not put them down. If you want to sell your product, sell yourself and then the products features, value and ease of cleanig and operation. Just saying...

[glwilson]

Originally Posted by tombstone

The "faithful" could watch all those and still say, "but harley is a better bike, just because.."

I think a few of the points stated in the videos didn't do several bike brands any favor... including Kawasaki, Honda, and BMW...

After listening to him... seems like we all own the wrong brand of bike. ;)

[ponch]

Originally Posted by glwilson

I think a few of the points stated in the videos didn't do several bike brands any favor... including Kawasaki, Honda, and BMW...

After listening to him... seems like we all own the wrong brand of bike. ;)

If they had someone with more that just a pulse as the straight man, it would have been a little different. I would have had better responses and some questions. That said, it seems the Victory is a lot more like a Japanese bike...I think the Kaw would compare as favorably, except in horsepower.

[ponch]

Originally Posted by loafer

I was alawys told to not mention the competition by name and to not put them down. If you want to sell your product, sell yourself and then the products features, value and ease of cleanig and operation. Just saying...

Well, if you sell anything, you better understand your competition. When I asked the salesman at the HD shop, he had no answer. I think a salesman like the one in the video would have had answers for me. I don't know if it was inexperience or a mentality.

[glwilson]

Talking "tech-talk" with just about any brand-dealer is likely to result in a "Duh" response. At least that has been my experience -- even with car dealers, tool salespeople; and other products...

There will always be a few "tech-points" salespeople will know from their sales script; but most of them are limited in deep-knowledge.

Occasionally you'll find a few that know their stuff though, and those are the ones that are most interesting to talk to.

One has to always remember though, that any salesperson has an agenda to sell you what they offer and to highlight the "better-points" of their product/service... so it would be best to gain a broad knowledge of the pro's-n-con's of anything one is looking for.

I'll bet there would be plenty of "con's" on just about every bike. I have yet to find the perfectly engineered product... despite those that tout they have it. ;)

I am looking though... ;)

[ringadingh]

I think he made the Harley a little worse off than it really is in comparing the two bikes. I know of plenty of HD's with over 20k that havn't blown apart yet.
And the chain that connects the motor to the transmission is an idea I kind of like, that way your transmision is a totally seperate unit from the motor. Im sure they could use gears to connect the two if they wanted to.

[ringadingh]

Originally Posted by AlabamaNomadRider

Yes it would be very interesting to see. I would like to see how our engine stacks up against the Victory.

Our motors are noisey, have small non hydraulic cam chain tensioners, an oil pump that has low pressure at idle, clutch spring that fails early, and a old style FI system.
I bet that guy could make the Vulcan motor appear just as bad as the HD motor.