I'm at a crossroad and need some advice...

fammdw · 09-02-2012, 07:32 PM

I am currently the proud owner of a 2006 Nomad and I've been very happy with it. I was out shopping for the best price on tires a while ago and ran across a new 2010 black and silver Voyager in a mom and pop little shop about 30 miles from my home town. I asked the owner of the shop what their price was on the bike and was told $15,700.

I started to engage the owner a little more and found out that their price included subtracting a $1000 rebate that is on the bike now. I told the owner that Kirby's and Hatfield's over in East Kansas were reportedly selling 2012 Voyagers for around $15,000 or so. The owner asked me to contact him this Tuesday for his best price on the 2010 as they would then be able to select the best deal for August or September (whatever that means).

I've since done some homework and found that the value on the 2010 once I drive it away will be between $12,075 and $13,695 whether or not you use KBB or NADA. My 2006 Nomad is in showroom condition with around 14,000 miles and the value goes between a low trade in of around $5200 and an average retail value of between $6749 and $7130.

First of all... What thoughts do you guys have on the switch to the 2010 Voyager? If I make an offer on this bike and trade mine in, what do you think would be an acceptable offer on the difference? I was thinking my bike and between $8000 and $8500 with me covering the sales tax at the end. It is a 2010 after all and I'm sure they would like to get it off the floor. For my part, it does have the full factory warranty in place.

I saw on CycleTrader.com that Kirby Powersports is advertising a 2011 Voyager for $14,700 so I don't think a sub-$14,000 offer on the 2010 is that unreasonable.

Your expertise and past experience would be appreciated!

Mike in Wichita....

**nomadtom69** · 09-02-2012, 07:46 PM

The new Voyagers have the fans to help with the heat the 2010 do not is it ABS or not would call the shop that had the 2011 and see if it is ABS and See what kind of deals they might make

**manban9888** · 09-02-2012, 08:04 PM

If you're happy w your 1600 and it only has 14000 miles on her, I'd keep the 1600. If you're gonna upgrade go w the newer Voyager that improves the heat issue. I love my 08 1600 and hope to keep her as long as possible. Also if money is an issue it seems to me that my butt is more comfy on a paid for bike

fammdw · 09-02-2012, 09:26 PM

I had a brain fart in the dealership and didn't notice if the 2010 had ABS or not. I'll have to check on that. I don't have much info from Cycle Trader on the 2011. I'm going to call Kirby's Tuesday and see exactly what kind of deals they have going. I've heard so many stories about great deals from the two dealerships in the Pittsburg, KS area that there must be something to it.

As far as the heat... How bad is it on the 2009 thru 2011? Anyone have any personal experience?

The Nomad is paid for, I've only had it for about three months. I bought it after selling my 2009 FJR 1300 which I could never quite get acclimated to. The Nomad was and is in showroom shape and only had 11,000 miles when I picked it up from a private seller.

I think what I am really wanting is the touring capabilities of the FJR with the comfort and familiarity of the cruisers I've rode my whole life. I should have bought a full dress bagger back in 2010 instead of the FJR and all this would be mute. :>)

Anyway, I just fired off an email to both Jay Hatfield Motorsports and Kirby Powersports. We'll see what all the hype is about.

I still think the 2010 would be a good deal in the $13,000 + range.

Mike

**billmac** · 09-02-2012, 09:32 PM

My advice is that I would not waste any time and energy on the "mom and pop" who gave me a price of $15.7k on a bike that is about to be 3 years old. I would shop price over the Internet and telephone in a multi state area.

I would spend the grand more and get one a couple of years newer. While your waiting for the 2013's to arrive and lower the price of the old stock, you can enjoy your 06 while it's for sale. That's my feelings on the matter.

I have a 2006 with 14k miles. I enjoy it and still have no intention of buying something else anytime soon.

**nomadtom69** · 09-02-2012, 09:55 PM

I have set on a new 1700 and to be honest I do not like the way they set Not rode one but I feel more comfortable on my 1600 it is paid for I added a fairing and HD tourpak for about $2k max (alot cheaper) and will be my last bike unless some one steals it. The only thing I like about the Voyager is the fixed fairing and elec. cruise control. The bags and trunk seem thinner than the old nomads. There have been some members complaining about the heat on their 1700 bikes.

**ray2** · 09-02-2012, 09:59 PM

What billmac said and also the 2011 had some improvement to the tranny.

fammdw · 09-03-2012, 08:09 PM

Thanks guys... I've found more than a few 2012 models online for under $16,000. Supposedly the heat issues have been corrected on the 2012. I'm going to take a closer look at the Victory Cross Roads tomorrow as well. Really agressive deals out there on those as well.

NomadTom69 - I do agree with you on the riding position on the Voyager. I felt a little close to the bars and up on te tank as well. A different seat might help that, I don't know.

This is the Victory I'm going to look at:

dmyers · 09-03-2012, 08:33 PM

I do like the victory I took one for a ride. very smooth, alot of power
But for the price of one of them I can get a Vaquero, Nuff said

BC RED VAQ · 09-03-2012, 09:46 PM

theres an old sayingyou pay for what you get I very much like my vaquero iy is one nice machine. Buy having problems at 7500 miles 3yr warrenty and tell me just normal wear and tear. Have gottin no responce from the company only time will only tell. I may never get rid of my vaqueroits a nice bike to.Thanks from IL

Loafer · 09-04-2012, 07:02 AM

If you want advice or opinions this is the place.

Stay with the 1600, it's paid with low mileage. Ride the wheels off it!

cheriann · 09-04-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dmyers

I do like the victory I took one for a ride. very smooth, alot of power
But for the price of one of them I can get a Vaquero, Nuff said

I did the same thing....I looked at a Victory and then looked at the price....then I bought my Vaquero!!!

majeff · 09-04-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fammdw

I am currently the proud owner of a 2006 Nomad and I've been very happy with it. I was out shopping for the best price on tires a while ago and ran across a new 2010 black and silver Voyager in a mom and pop little shop about 30 miles from my home town. I asked the owner of the shop what their price was on the bike and was told $15,700.

I started to engage the owner a little more and found out that their price included subtracting a $1000 rebate that is on the bike now. I told the owner that Kirby's and Hatfield's over in East Kansas were reportedly selling 2012 Voyagers for around $15,000 or so. The owner asked me to contact him this Tuesday for his best price on the 2010 as they would then be able to select the best deal for August or September (whatever that means).

I've since done some homework and found that the value on the 2010 once I drive it away will be between $12,075 and $13,695 whether or not you use KBB or NADA. My 2006 Nomad is in showroom condition with around 14,000 miles and the value goes between a low trade in of around $5200 and an average retail value of between $6749 and $7130.

First of all... What thoughts do you guys have on the switch to the 2010 Voyager? If I make an offer on this bike and trade mine in, what do you think would be an acceptable offer on the difference? I was thinking my bike and between $8000 and $8500 with me covering the sales tax at the end. It is a 2010 after all and I'm sure they would like to get it off the floor. For my part, it does have the full factory warranty in place.

I saw on CycleTrader.com that Kirby Powersports is advertising a 2011 Voyager for $14,700 so I don't think a sub-$14,000 offer on the 2010 is that unreasonable.

Your expertise and past experience would be appreciated!

Mike in Wichita....

Keep the NOMAD and save your money for the financial disaster that is on the way to America.

fammdw · 09-04-2012, 09:16 AM

I'm going to look at the Vaquero as well. My only issue with the Vaquero is all the black plastic in the areas where it would benefit from chrome. All personal preference I know. As for the price, with the current deals on 2012's it's about the same on either the Victory or Kawasaki.

I appreciate all the comments about holding on to the 1600. As you can tell, I'm like a crazed crack head. The new bike bug has bitten me and I'm not sure there's a cure!

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Originally Posted by cheriann

I did the same thing....I looked at a Victory and then looked at the price....then I bought my Vaquero!!!

Dave · 09-04-2012, 10:26 AM

Buy whatever YOU want, not what others recommend. If you want a Victory, buy one. If you want a HD, buy one. I don't understand why people would post, on a dedicated board, asking what other would recommend. What a shock that people here are recommending the Vaquero or sticking with the Nomad.

There's a lot to choose from out there and only you can make the choice.

09-02-2012, 07:32 PM	#1
fammdw Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 543	I'm at a crossroad and need some advice... I am currently the proud owner of a 2006 Nomad and I've been very happy with it. I was out shopping for the best price on tires a while ago and ran across a new 2010 black and silver Voyager in a mom and pop little shop about 30 miles from my home town. I asked the owner of the shop what their price was on the bike and was told $15,700. I started to engage the owner a little more and found out that their price included subtracting a $1000 rebate that is on the bike now. I told the owner that Kirby's and Hatfield's over in East Kansas were reportedly selling 2012 Voyagers for around $15,000 or so. The owner asked me to contact him this Tuesday for his best price on the 2010 as they would then be able to select the best deal for August or September (whatever that means). I've since done some homework and found that the value on the 2010 once I drive it away will be between $12,075 and $13,695 whether or not you use KBB or NADA. My 2006 Nomad is in showroom condition with around 14,000 miles and the value goes between a low trade in of around $5200 and an average retail value of between $6749 and $7130. First of all... What thoughts do you guys have on the switch to the 2010 Voyager? If I make an offer on this bike and trade mine in, what do you think would be an acceptable offer on the difference? I was thinking my bike and between $8000 and $8500 with me covering the sales tax at the end. It is a 2010 after all and I'm sure they would like to get it off the floor. For my part, it does have the full factory warranty in place. I saw on CycleTrader.com that Kirby Powersports is advertising a 2011 Voyager for $14,700 so I don't think a sub-$14,000 offer on the 2010 is that unreasonable. Your expertise and past experience would be appreciated! Mike in Wichita.... __________________ *Mike Williams* *Wichita, Kansas* VBA Member #02104 2013 HD 110th Anniversary Electra Glide Ultra Limited 2012 Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Voyager 2009 Yamaha FJR1300 2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 Nomad 2002 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom 1989 Yamaha Virago 750 Login or Register to Remove Ads
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09-02-2012, 07:46 PM	#2
nomadtom69 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maryville, Tn Posts: 2,656	The new Voyagers have the fans to help with the heat the 2010 do not is it ABS or not would call the shop that had the 2011 and see if it is ABS and See what kind of deals they might make __________________ (NomadTom69)Tom Green Previous bikes - 2004 BMW R1200 CLC 2006 Nomad 1600 Black -1985 BMW K100 RT VBA #001609 Viet-Nam Vet 71-72 Maryville , Tn. Maggie Valley '11-Townsend '12-Estes Park '13- Copperhead fall rally "13- Elkins WV '14- Eureka Springs ' 15- Helen Ga. SE Rally '16
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09-02-2012, 08:04 PM	#3
manban9888 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Sebastian, Florida Posts: 1,016	If you're happy w your 1600 and it only has 14000 miles on her, I'd keep the 1600. If you're gonna upgrade go w the newer Voyager that improves the heat issue. I love my 08 1600 and hope to keep her as long as possible. Also if money is an issue it seems to me that my butt is more comfy on a paid for bike __________________ 2008 Nomad Red/Black 1998 1500a VBA #02113 Antlers, Oklahoma '12 Blairsville, Georgia '13 Antlers, Oklahoma '13 Eureka Springs, Arkansas '15
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09-02-2012, 09:26 PM	#4
fammdw Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 543	I had a brain fart in the dealership and didn't notice if the 2010 had ABS or not. I'll have to check on that. I don't have much info from Cycle Trader on the 2011. I'm going to call Kirby's Tuesday and see exactly what kind of deals they have going. I've heard so many stories about great deals from the two dealerships in the Pittsburg, KS area that there must be something to it. As far as the heat... How bad is it on the 2009 thru 2011? Anyone have any personal experience? The Nomad is paid for, I've only had it for about three months. I bought it after selling my 2009 FJR 1300 which I could never quite get acclimated to. The Nomad was and is in showroom shape and only had 11,000 miles when I picked it up from a private seller. I think what I am really wanting is the touring capabilities of the FJR with the comfort and familiarity of the cruisers I've rode my whole life. I should have bought a full dress bagger back in 2010 instead of the FJR and all this would be mute. :>) Anyway, I just fired off an email to both Jay Hatfield Motorsports and Kirby Powersports. We'll see what all the hype is about. I still think the 2010 would be a good deal in the $13,000 + range. Mike __________________ *Mike Williams* *Wichita, Kansas* VBA Member #02104 2013 HD 110th Anniversary Electra Glide Ultra Limited 2012 Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 Voyager 2009 Yamaha FJR1300 2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 Nomad 2002 Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom 1989 Yamaha Virago 750
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09-02-2012, 09:32 PM	#5
billmac Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,472	My advice is that I would not waste any time and energy on the "mom and pop" who gave me a price of $15.7k on a bike that is about to be 3 years old. I would shop price over the Internet and telephone in a multi state area. I would spend the grand more and get one a couple of years newer. While your waiting for the 2013's to arrive and lower the price of the old stock, you can enjoy your 06 while it's for sale. That's my feelings on the matter. I have a 2006 with 14k miles. I enjoy it and still have no intention of buying something else anytime soon. Login or Register to Remove Ads
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09-02-2012, 09:55 PM	#6
nomadtom69 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Maryville, Tn Posts: 2,656	I have set on a new 1700 and to be honest I do not like the way they set Not rode one but I feel more comfortable on my 1600 it is paid for I added a fairing and HD tourpak for about $2k max (alot cheaper) and will be my last bike unless some one steals it. The only thing I like about the Voyager is the fixed fairing and elec. cruise control. The bags and trunk seem thinner than the old nomads. There have been some members complaining about the heat on their 1700 bikes. __________________ (NomadTom69)Tom Green Previous bikes - 2004 BMW R1200 CLC 2006 Nomad 1600 Black -1985 BMW K100 RT VBA #001609 Viet-Nam Vet 71-72 Maryville , Tn. Maggie Valley '11-Townsend '12-Estes Park '13- Copperhead fall rally "13- Elkins WV '14- Eureka Springs ' 15- Helen Ga. SE Rally '16
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09-02-2012, 09:59 PM	#7
ray2 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 939	What billmac said and also the 2011 had some improvement to the tranny. __________________ Ray Minnesota 2010-1700-Nomad VBA#01525
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09-03-2012, 08:09 PM	#8
fammdw Advanced Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 543	Thanks guys... I've found more than a few 2012 models online for under $16,000. Supposedly the heat issues have been corrected on the 2012. I'm going to take a closer look at the Victory Cross Roads tomorrow as well. Really agressive deals out there on those as well. NomadTom69 - I do agree with you on the riding position on the Voyager. I felt a little close to the bars and up on te tank as well. A different seat might help that, I don't know. This is the Victory I'm going to look at:
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09-03-2012, 08:33 PM	#9
dmyers Sr. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: springfield Mo Posts: 1,310	I do like the victory I took one for a ride. very smooth, alot of power But for the price of one of them I can get a Vaquero, Nuff said __________________ Don Myers 2012 green vaquero custom bars V&H pro pipe FI2000 custom intake work in progress
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09-03-2012, 09:46 PM	#10
BC RED VAQ Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Beecher City IL 62414 Posts: 320	theres an old sayingyou pay for what you get I very much like my vaquero iy is one nice machine. Buy having problems at 7500 miles 3yr warrenty and tell me just normal wear and tear. Have gottin no responce from the company only time will only tell. I may never get rid of my vaqueroits a nice bike to.Thanks from IL
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09-04-2012, 07:02 AM	#11
Loafer Sr. Contributor Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 18,287	If you want advice or opinions this is the place. Stay with the 1600, it's paid with low mileage. Ride the wheels off it! __________________ Gerry Martineau / 802 VT / VBA #0892 /[email]glmjgm@gmail.com[email]
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09-04-2012, 10:26 AM	#15
Dave Sr. Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Itchycoo Park Posts: 3,422	Buy whatever YOU want, not what others recommend. If you want a Victory, buy one. If you want a HD, buy one. I don't understand why people would post, on a dedicated board, asking what other would recommend. What a shock that people here are recommending the Vaquero or sticking with the Nomad. There's a lot to choose from out there and only you can make the choice. Last edited by Dave; 09-04-2012 at 10:29 AM.
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